Why Oppose NC3?


We don’t oppose High Speed Rail. We oppose option “NC3”.   

NC DOT design 3 options:  “NC1” and “NC2” – which are virtually the same – locate the new rail on the East side of Capital Boulevard on the existing CSX rail space and is much less damaging than “NC3”.  “NC3” would claim land by eminent domain and displace businesses and homes along the current Northern Southern rail area, from Peace Street to Wake Forest Avenue.  NC DOT and Federal Railroad Administration’s own research shows that NC3 has the most negative impacts.

Concerns about the NC3 option:

Properties demolished. Currently, 54 businesses and an unknown number of homes will be claimed by eminent domain to obtain the land needed for the new HSR tracks. While property owners will be compensated, they will not have the option to stay. Many of these folks have been in the neighborhood for decades. See the list of displaced businesses here. No list of impacted houses has been made available- you have to view the maps and figure it out. Option NC1/2 impact 60% fewer properties.

Property values. Will undoubtedly drop. We will all be paying the highest property tax rates in Raleigh for property that has been devalued by the location of high speed rail (HSR) tracks in historic neighborhoods. And by the erection of large sound barrier walls.  NC1/2 locates the tracks on existing CSX railroad corridors which were built to accommodate future high speed rail tracks.

Noise. NCDOT reports that the noise of an idling diesel engine is equivalent to a jackhammer and the vibration can be felt up to 6 blocks away. Under NC3, most homes and businesses within several hundred feet of the current Norfolk Southern rail line will be in the “severely impacted” area. What does this mean? How loud? What type of sounds barriers will be erected? Chain link fence? Solid wall? Landscaping? What studies have been done to assess the sound damage? What about the next level that is “moderately impacted” by noise? Where are the demarcation lines for the noise levels? How will NCDOT ensure that the best quality noise barrier solution will be included in the funding? While the NC3 option has “19 severely impacted noise receptors”, options NC1 and NC2 have “0”, none.

Vibration. The vibration from the HSR train will travel underground from the HSR track to area homes and businesses. What is the impact on foundations? Historic plaster walls? Historic trees? Utility lines? Street pavings?  What about our 100 year old terracotta sewer lines?  What protections will be taken? Apparently, the existing budget does not include allocation for existing vibration dampening technology. NC DOT reports that, under NC3, 99 structures will be impacted by vibration.   NC1/2  has 50% fewer impacted structures than NC3.

Pollution. The US High Speed Rail trains are all diesel, not electric as most European cities have. Diesel pollution includes noise and particulate matter that is a known carcinogen and health hazard. The NC3 option also runs the train over the Crabtree Creek area, not only notorious for flooding, but also a sensitive watershed that feeds into the Neuse River.

Street Closings.   The NC3 option closes the Fairview Avenue access to Capital Boulevard. NCDOT Traffic Statistics report from 2007 states 2200 vehicles per day use that route. Where will those 2200 vehicles be rerouted? Whittaker Mill? Already overloaded. Glenwood? What happens to Glenwood South? Will Aycock become a cut-through street? What is the impact on the Seaboard businesses that are easily accessed by Capital today? And, Georgetown at Wake Forest would be closed so that neighborhood would be boxed in.

Cost. The NC3 option requires $33 million MORE dollars to buy property under eminent domain. Why buy property in Five Points, when the existing CSX land on the other side of Capital Blvd has plenty of room for the tracks? In total costs, the NC3 option ($250 million) costs $42-46 million MORE than NC1 ($204m) or NC2 ($208m). That’s money that could be reinvested in our City.

Concerned? Have questions? So do we. Please join us.

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9 Comments Add your own

  • 1. liqormoney  |  January 4, 2012 at 1:47 am

    most of those houses are from when the rail companies built houses for workers any way, but fuck taking homes from people, and the guy who said trees and houses cant be historic, by that logic people cant be historic either, shut up yuppie. as a train rider(aka hobo), and a raleigh native i sport the idea of the HSRL, as it would make life easier for peope that work here and live too far away to logically drive, and with the number of yanks moving in, well need it, any way, besides insults, if they run it through the freight yards, then our food prices will go up, with lumber and all other resources. while i dont like that theyre going to take homes out etc.. at the same time, it isnt smart to put people in a train yard that dont need to be there, maybe if they put it over by the atlantic bridge where the north side of the NS yard and CSX yard, then its too far away, but it would be better for the people that live in down town, but raleigh doesnt care about the natives/locals, they like these yuppies and yanks moving here, it weeds out the hobos, street musicians, homeless and middle/lower class, fuck raleigh, and all you yuppies. suck it.

  • 2. 0pts  |  September 1, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    What the hoa is a Historic tree? or a Historic home for that matter ? Was there
    history made in any of these homes or trees … Historic homes and neighborhoods is a roundabout
    why of saying no new developement in my neighborhood, I like that my home is appreciating
    at the expense of others… You all should stop whining and take the pain.
    We all have to have skin in the game and this is your perfect opportunity. Don’t pass it up…
    I will be enjoying my taxpayer subsidized train ride to Washington on the backs of the poor smucks that can’t even afford a subsized train ticket or on the backs of taxpayers who will never ride the train. I tell you I will be the first in line at the train terminal to go see the big O’s second inaugural in 2012. Please join me!!!

    So SHUTIT and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5NBja6NLTg

  • 3. Mark  |  August 31, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    It looks like the rich people in Five Points are going to stick it to everyone else. The other options don’t eliminate the disturbance created by the trains, it just moves it to poorer neighborhoods.

    • 4. MO  |  September 1, 2010 at 7:33 am

      Most Five Points residents would tell you that NC1/2 and NC3 are all terrible options. NC1/2 seems to already be rejected so energy has been focused on also eliminating NC3. If the roles were reversed I and many other 5 Points residents would support Mordecai. No one wants or deserves these tracks in their backyard regardless of the amount of money they have. I find it appalling that City Council ever considered any of these optons as the disturbance to historical properties and neighborhoods is unacceptable. I am for high speed rail but don’t understand why it has to run right through downtown. Hopefully we can come up with a solution that minimizes the disturbance to Raleigh’s residents and businesses.

      • 5. sarah  |  September 1, 2010 at 3:23 pm

        The NC1/2 option was THE option until 2008. Mordecai had no clue at that time that the HSR was on the block for your neighborhood. That route had been accepted since 2004. Yes we all need to “help” our city counsel address all issues surrounding SEHSR.

    • 6. 6pts  |  September 1, 2010 at 8:57 am

      Darn skippy we’re sticking it everyone else… Our properties make up a significant larger revenue stream in the form or property taxes to Raleigh.

      My labradoodle has very sensitive hearing and I maybe forced to move if this HSR comes through 5pts.

    • 7. Taylor  |  September 1, 2010 at 3:11 pm

      I hope other neighborhoods next to Five Points are waking up and rejecting NC3 too because if the property value of Five Points homes go down, theirs will go down as well because of comps in the area.

      These areas residents pay significant amounts in taxes but with lower property values, tax values will be lowered, causing the amount of taxes collected to fall, which causes the city of Raleigh to have less money … easy math, nice domino effect leaders …

      Just reject all the routes so far and plan a new one that is OTB.

    • 8. sarah  |  September 1, 2010 at 3:19 pm

      Mark, I have lived in 5 points for 30 years. I am neither rich or a snob. The “rich” people in Five Points do NOT want to STICK IT to “poorer” neighborhoods. In fact we have been working on a way for Raleigh to enjoy HSR with the least amount of destruction to ALL the properties. It is, on the other hand, the misinformed (such as yourself) that creates the “us against them” mentality that will get us nowhere.

  • 9. Alice Meyre  |  August 20, 2010 at 6:49 am

    I am a supportor of high speed rail, but not an option that disrupts neighborhoods and creates adverse affects to the asthetics and property values of the neighborhood.

    My questions are:

    Why is this option more viable than the others?
    What is the criteria being used to evaluate the options?
    What will be done to not adverseley affect the neighborhood?


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