What was the Decibel level in the Chamber? Feel the vibration?

September 1, 2010 at 10:14 pm 12 comments

We don’t need a consultant flown in from Chicago to tell us that NC3 is just plain wrong!  And almost all of the 250 people who packed the Standing Room Only City Council Chamber last night knew it! 

You called it like it is – property values, concrete sound walls, road closures, noise, diesel exhaust from idling freight trains who have to give way to 8 more passenger trains a day.  Vibrations from 45 mph diesel trains on 104 year old terracotta sewer pipes.  Emergency vehicle access. Emergency  evacuations.  Don’t think we even got to whether how DOT plans to “seal the corridor” – that infamous chain link fence with razor wire?  Yes or No?

 A new hybrid option that flies right over the concerns about blocking off Glenwood South.  Wow – NCDOT comes to life and responds immediately.  Of course, the answer is “won’t work”.  But wait – another solution from the community!  Ben Kuhn shows how a span from the Cotton Mill at 300’ to another point at the Capital Blvd ramp – also 300’ – is – guess what? – no grade. Not even the 1%.

Clearly, just getting a special hearing scheduled was a major coup and last night the Council heard loud and clear– NC3 IS NOT AN OPTION FOR FIVE POINTS AND NOT AN OPTION FOR THIS CITY! 

We can’t stop now!

We have 2 days to contact City Council before they meet on Tuesday  to make their decision.

 2 days – 2 Things To Do

(1) Ask City Council to take NC3 off the table



(2) Show up next Tuesday, 9/7

Same place, same time (7 pm) . Vote night. (Changed to 1:00 pm)

Let’s pack that Chamber again!!



Entry filed under: High Speed Rail.

New “NC1/2 Plus” Appears Viable Last Push! 3 Things to Do Right Now!

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  • 1. Ben  |  September 4, 2010 at 5:46 am

    If Bonner Gaylord, John Odom, Russ Stephens, and Thomas Crowder refused to vote yes to spend $200 million on a downtown Public Saftey Center, PLEASE, someone ask them directly WHY would they be willing to spend an extra $50 million on a flawed and destructive NC3 high speed train route taking into consideration that the additoinal cost of the NC3 route DOES NOT include the cost and expense that will be required for property takings that will include a large chunk of millions more to Norfolk Southern and others, as well as mitigation efforts which have not been factored in yet – meaning that the actual cost for NC3 WILL be far more expensive than NC1/2 than is currently being reported. Public Safety Center v. High Speed Rail. Balance your priorities as to where taxpayer moneis should be spent and spent wisely! Coucil members are public stewards of taxpayer dollars – no matter who the taxpayers are – and it would be very ironic for Council to all of a sudden become spendthrifts when a speculative train project comes their way when at the same time they extoll the virtue of ensuring public monies are spent wisely on a project that is designed properly and in the public interest (i.e. the public safety center). NC3 is not a good design, it is MUCH mroe expensive, and it is not in the public interest – so explain why we will be spending 50-100-200 million more on NC3??? The Public Safety Center was rejected on precisely these grounds. NC3 MUST be rejected too. Otherwise, Council will be seen as foolishly playing with trains with YOUR money, but failing to address the vital needs of public safety professionals that are dedicated to ensuring the safety and welfare of our community. Can this happen? Don’t let it happen! Please Vote NO ON NC3! Copy this text and send it to your Council member – or all of them.

  • 2. Keith  |  September 3, 2010 at 10:36 am

    I just wrote to the City Council again, and pointed out something that we need time to get to the bottom of.

    Even *if* DOT could mitigate noise & vibration adequately (and they can’t seem to convince even themselves), the fact remains that a ‘sealed corridor’ will inevitably split the city in half and isolate neighborhoods. This is a terrible thing – think of Boston, where the Southeast Expressway split the city for decades until taxpayers across the US had to pay tens of billions to tear it down and do it right. Just like NC3, I am sure it seemed like a good idea to some transportation planners at the time, but we clearly can’t leave them to make these decisions alone.

    I continue to hear conflicting statements about the speeds at which the trains will travel through downtown, and most importantly, whether sealed crossings are actually mandated at these speeds or not. It may be that the best (not to mention least expensive) form of mitigation is to simply SLOW DOWN for a few miles when traveling through a city that has not been designed as a rail corridor. Figure out what speed allows us to keep at-grade crossings, stick to it through the city, and use NC1/2 as originally planned. If it adds a few minutes to the trip, so what ? Make it up later on a faster stretch of track. The train will have to slow down anyway when arriving & leaving the station, so I have a hard time believing that it will make a huge difference overall if it just stays slow for a few miles. Haven’t done the math but it shouldn’t be hard to figure that out.

    Also a question about the Tues Council meeting – are they taking more public comment, or just deliberating among themselves ?

    • 3. Dixie  |  September 3, 2010 at 2:36 pm

      Please let us know if he actually sends a decent response to your email or just another “thanks for the information” generic response. I’m not voting for any of them whenever the next election is if this goes through.

    • 4. Don't Railroad Historic Five Points  |  September 6, 2010 at 12:20 am

      Great points Keith! Currently, 45 mph “in town”. The Federal Railroad Admin rules do not require a “sealed corridor”, but somewhere along the way (NCDOT?),the EIS “mandated” that solution and also that all at grade crossings must be closed or bridged. I understand the concern about having public access to HSR tracks at Jones St area around all the bars, but surely there’s another solution? Tunnel under? Some kind of barrier that goes down at night, preventing pedestrian & car traffic, but goes up during the day? (think giant garage door opener, or swinging gates).

      I’m going to post the Task Force’s detailed letter to City Council which clearly shows that the main reason they push NC3 is the Harrington and West intersections in NC1/2 and the closure of Jones STreet. How about finding a way to solve these problems without foisting a terrible solution on another – historic – and vibrant – neighborhood!

      The Council meeting on Tuesday,9/7 is at 1:00. We need to have a BIG TURNOUT to continue to keep the pressure on. There is no public comment allowed as it’s not a hearing. My lastest thought is that the Council may discuss, but not actually “Vote” for an option since they seem interested in the two alternatives and those are not officially on the DOT “List”.

      Hope you can make it!

      Carole Meyre


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