New “NC1/2 Plus” Appears Viable

August 30, 2010 at 12:18 pm 16 comments

 The new “NC1/2 Plus” option  — an updated approch to the original NC1/2– seems like a really viable solution.

Take a look at the attached map – basically, instead of cutting over through at West and Harrington streets, the cutover begins right at Peace Street, moving through a lightly built area where the city already owns property. 

  • No businesses and homes taken in Roanoke Park or Glenwood Brooklyn!
  • Wouldn’t close Fairview/Capital
  • Wouldn’t close Georgetown/Wake Forest
  • Wouldn’t close the West and Harrington crossings which has been a great concern
  • Pedestrian access – both over and under – Glenwood South
  • Possibly running the commuter rail station under the HSR bridge and adding a local station at Glenwood South
  • Would give the City the center platform at the Union Station that is so important

This looks like a win-win situation. What do you think?  Let’s ask City Council and NCDOT to take a hard look at this option!

8/31:  Updated map showing expanded  view of NC1/2 Plus:

Variation on NC1/2 – “NC 1/2 Plus”

PS – be sure to scroll down past the map or illustrations of what stations look like in other areas.


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16 Comments Add your own

  • 1. Sarah  |  September 1, 2010 at 9:45 am

    From the other post… here is one potential theory as to why NC1/2 aren’t being considered.. CSX is under wraps…

    • 2. Taylor  |  September 1, 2010 at 3:04 pm

      Definitely something shady going on here. We need to dig into this further and figure out why the smart choice, putting the rail on the CSX side, is not being made.

      Also, why are we not allowed to revisit the whole idea of having the rail through downtown? Would any of us use it to go to Richmond? If we must have a rail, put it somewhere it won’t interrupt so many people’s lives. IDEA: outside the belt line or even in Cary. They like trains in that town :)

      I hope the council makes the right choice and rejects NC3 and reviews the whole idea of the rail placement from scratch. Just start over!

  • 3. Sarah  |  September 1, 2010 at 9:41 am

    I can’t believe the DOT already had enough time to fully explore all of the other possibilities of the NC1/2 alternative or “NC4”. And right – for an additional 50 million dollars (what it would cost in extra to do NC3) there MUST be another way (via bridges, underpasses, whatever).

    Also, that guy who presented the power point for the staff at the start of the meeting about how our home values are already affected by the trains – what a bunch of bull! Having what, four trains cross per day, shielded by the businesses vs. upwards of 12 plus trains per day with a big fence and our neighborhood cut off from downtown? I’d like him to put his money where his mouth is.

    Seriously, I can’t believe NC3 is even still on the table. I feel like there must be something more going on that isn’t public. Conspiracy theorists – please do some digging. Maybe one of the key council people or DOT people or whatever own a property on the NC1/2 side…

  • 4. Ben  |  August 31, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    Roger that. I have it in a power point ready to present this evening and on a jump drive. I can email it easily. The power point diagram is a little clunky, but it demonstrates the possibility above with about as much technological wiziadry in the maps rolled out by DOT for NC1/2 and NC3.

  • 5. John P.  |  August 31, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    I am confused as to why you would want people to bring “friends”. I can see bringing neighbors and the like, but I live in a condo downtown and while there have been petitions against this or that proposal never, ever have I heard anyone say to bring “friends”. Are you just trying to trump up your numbers?

    I am a civil engineering professor…would you want me to bring all of my students and dress them in a certain color to pass them off as 5 points residents or to support a cause for a neighborhood (and possibly a city) that your “friends” aren’t even affected by?

    Seems to me that there are a lot of great ideas around this site, but I feel that you are going at things in a slightly dishonest way…

    • 6. Gina  |  August 31, 2010 at 3:15 pm

      For most of us neighbors are friends… that is what’s so cool about our neighborhoods… I wouldn’t make too much out of the term in that context.

      Thanks for the complement on the great ideas, BTW.

      • 7. John P.  |  August 31, 2010 at 5:12 pm

        The post I am referring to mentions to “bring two friends” and mentions neighbors separately…

        I know what you mean, I have a lot of neighbors who are friends and have lived in Oakwood and certainly understand where you are coming from on a neighborhood perspective.

    • 8. John  |  September 1, 2010 at 6:03 am

      I know it sounds crazy, but some people who don’t live in Five Points might actually care what will happen because they either use the roads to travel to work, think the area is a part of history and deserves to be preserved, or are concerned with the negative effects on the environment. So, as for dishonest, you are making assumptions.


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